The Dirty Secrets of Homosexuality Pt.1: Promiscuity

The other day I was directed to an article posted by the Christian Research Institute (CRI). In 2009 they posted an article entitled “Is Homosexuality a Healthy Lifestyle?“. The article is disturbing but, it highlights some major problems with homosexuality.

Before I continue, I want to make it clear that I am not talking about this subject because I enjoy it. I discuss this topic simply because this subject has become the biggest social issue of our day. Just the other week President Obama gave, what many would call, a politically driven announcement supporting same-sex marriage. Many people have begun to speak up about their positions and, that creates a need for the Christian worldview to be heard. Now to the article.

The CRI article touched on two issues within the homosexual community. Those issues were promiscuity and sexual practices. This article will deal with the rampant promiscuity in the homosexual community.

Most of us would agree that promiscuity is unhealthy. It inflicts physical, emotional, and spiritual harm. Even if you do not agree with the spiritual aspect, you most likely agree with the first two. Well, if promiscuity is unhealthy then the common homosexual lifestyle we see today is extremely unhealthy. Check out some of the stats quoted in the CRI article:

Homosexualities, an official publication of The Institute for Sex Research founded by Alfred Kinsey, Alan Bell, and Martin Weinberg, reported that only ten percent of male homosexuals could be termed as ‘relatively monogamous’ or ‘relatively less promiscuous.’

Only 10% of homosexuals reported that they were sort of monogamous. That stat alone would be staggering, but wait, it gets much worse.

Additional findings showed that 60 percent of male homosexuals had more than 250 lifetime sexual partners, and 28 percent of male homosexuals had more than 1,000 lifetime sexual partners

60% of homosexual men had more than 250 sexual partners. Anyone with a working mind should be able to understand just how unhealthy this promiscuous lifestyle is. As if that wasn’t bad enough, 28% of homosexual men had over 1,000 sexual partners. Those are certainly not numbers that you will find on any news station discussing homosexuality.

Out.com is a website that writes about homosexuality. In an article entitled, “Monogamy Redefined”, Out interviewed two gay porn stars in a relationship. Read the words that Chris Porter said about his relationship with his partner:

We didn’t want monogamy. We knew that wouldn’t work. We’re both horny all of the time. We have rules. We don’t hook up with someone if we’re in the same city without the other one being involved. But if he’s out of town, I’ll hook up with someone. I’ll call and be like, ‘Is that OK?’ We’re honest and communicate.

There you go. They talk and communicate about the other people they sleep with so it’s OK. For the majority of homosexuals they don’t want monogamy and, the stats back this claim up. One huge problem with this promiscuity is that many people in the homosexual community don’t even know the people they are sleeping with. Let’s go back to the CRI article:

Another startling fact is that 79 percent admitted that more than half of their sexual partners were strangers.

When most of the people you are sleeping with are strangers, your chances of contracting an STD (sexually transmitted disease) dramatically goes up. In fact, the CRI article touches on this:

Just a few years after the publication of this report, Dr. William Foege, the director of the Centers for Disease Control, stated: ‘The average AIDS victim has had 60 different sexual partners in the past twelve months.’

When people engage in promiscuity their chances of contracting AIDS is extremely high shown by the stat above. It is obvious that promiscuity is not healthy and, the rampant promiscuity within the homosexual community is a dirty secret that needs to be known.

Thanks for reading.

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I am a blatantly honest person who loves to think, read, discuss, and write about God and theology. I have a bachelor's degree in Youth Ministry from Crown College. I work at a church in Houston, TX as a Youth Director and love every minute of it! I am married to a wonderful woman named Becky and we are expecting our first child in June! I have a love for God's Word, and a fervor to live it out in the fullest, and I pray this blog reflects that. Thanks for checking out AnotherChristianBlog!.

Posted on May 24, 2012, in Christianity, Culture and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 48 Comments.

  1. Wow. I can’t even fathom some of those numbers.

  2. To tell you the truth, I don’t like being around them. I feel uncomfortable. I know they are a fact of life…I just don’t want to be around them.

    • I think it is important to remember that while it may be uncomfortable, homosexuals, just like you or I, are created in the image of God. That image gives them value as human beings and because of that value they need to hear the Gospel of Jesus. I need the Gospel, you need the Gospel, and they need the Gospel…but it’s hard to do that if you are not around them.

      Travis

      • I have the right to be around those I feel comfortable with; and the right “not to.” I have worked with them; and I am always respectful…so Please DO NOT lecture me on how I “should feel” or NOT feel.”
        An anomaly has been discovered on the first X cromasome of Gay people. The XX and XY cromasomes.
        Search Gay Genetics. The’re are Gay Animals.
        The Bible says Man shall not lay with Man BUT doesn’t say Woman shall not lay with Woman. The Issue is Sodomy and STD’s. Most laws in the Bible are on health. Unprotected Sodomy leeds to kidney,testicle,overian, infeations.

        Read more: Another Liberal Argument Bites the Dust http://godfatherpolitics.com/3658/another-liberal-argument-bites-the-dust/#ixzz1mIJR6sad

      • I think I wasn’t clear. I am not saying that we should be buddy buddy with everyone. What I am saying is if we actively seek to not interact with homosexuals then we are not following Jesus’ command to bring the Gospel to everyone. That was simply my point. Also, I am sure there may be “gay animals” but, I don’t know what you are getting at.

        Also, the Bible does speak about women engaging in homosexuality. Romans 1:27 says, “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;”

        Travis

      • Love the person, not the sin.
        Travis, you are arrogant to believe I haven’t read it. I am the daughter and grand-daughter of two ministers. LOVE the sinner, hate the sin.

        You must not have been around the “flamers”…you are very naive.
        I did remember a friend I had at one time who was gay. He taught me how to be a great paralegal investigator as well as a great legal secretary. We went to lunch everyday together.
        HE ALSO HATED THE FLAMERS …those who shove it in your face. They do NOT represent the entire population and deliberately cause others to feel uncomfortable just to watch them squirm.
        Before YOU judge another…might want to take into consideration where they are coming from. It IS CHRISTIANS like you that caused me to stop going to church all together and study at home.
        I am A CHRIST CENTERED PERSON…..

      • You said: “Travis, you are arrogant to believe I haven’t read it. I am the daughter and grand-daughter of two ministers. LOVE the sinner, hate the sin.”

        Me: We are to love our enemies but, the sin doesn’t get punished in hell. The person does. So, it is loving to let the sinner know that they are destined for destruction if they do not repent.

        You: “You must not have been around the “flamers”…you are very naive.”

        Me: I am naive of many of things but, I am not sure what “flamers” have to do with our conversation.

        You: “I did remember a friend I had at one time who was gay. He taught me how to be a great paralegal investigator as well as a great legal secretary. We went to lunch everyday together.
        HE ALSO HATED THE FLAMERS …those who shove it in your face. They do NOT represent the entire population and deliberately cause others to feel uncomfortable just to watch them squirm.”

        Me: I never said that “flamers” represented the entire population of homosexuals. I was very careful in my post and comments to point out that promiscuity is common place within the homosexual community. Common place doesn’t mean everyone does it, it only means that most do. Also, I have no doubt that there are really good homosexual professionals, including paralegals, but that doesn’t mean their sin is not going to be counted against them on judgement day.

        You: “Before YOU judge another…might want to take into consideration where they are coming from.”

        Me: Wait…are you judging me for judging?

        You: “It IS CHRISTIANS like you that caused me to stop going to church all together and study at home.
        I am A CHRIST CENTERED PERSON…..”

        Me: So, Christians who believe the Bible kept you from going to church? By not gathering with the body of believers you are going against Scripture. Hebrews 10:24,25 says:

        And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

        I hope you get back to church because the body is a blessing in the life of believers.

        Travis

  3. I make “no judgments…that is NOT my place.” However, I do have the right to “choose” who I associate with.

  4. I often meet people who are confused about why Homosexuality is a sin. This helps explain it.

  5. I can’t find the original Kinsey article. Does anyone know where it is?

  6. I appreciate the focus on the results of homosexual, or any promiscuous, sexual practice. However, we must bear in mind that sin is sin, regardless of the natural or apparent outcomes of such behavior. For example, anxiety is a sin whether or not it causes the anxious one to have fearful thoughts, paranoia, etc. It’s a sin because it reflects the mistrust that the anxious one has in God, to whom all trust should be given regardless of circumstance. In the same way, homosexuality, and any improper sexual act, is a sin because it reflects a mistrust in the overflowing pleasure and joy that serving God entails; it’s a misdirection of our purpose. Again, thank you for the explication of the natural results of sin, but let’s bear in mind the ultimate nature of sin: an idolatry of something over God.

    Grace and peace,

    Josh

    • Josh,

      You are exactly right. Unfortunately, blog posts can only be so long and this series was focused on the consequences of the normal homosexual experience. Many people have no idea that the main stream of homosexuals partake in these actions and that is what these posts were about. I have written on the subject a few other times and, I think, point out what you are saying. God has a right, as the Creator, to determine what is right and wrong…end of discussion. Also, I would encourage you to read the next post in this series. It is graphic but, shows us the sinful depravity of man and, the need to take the Gospel to all people, including homosexuals.

      Thanks for the comment,

      Travis

    • Joshua, you can probably give me the “exact” scripture; however, I think you will know the one I am talking about. It states something like “It is BETTER to be born in hell….etc.” than to be gay.
      It doesn’t say, YOU WILL GO TO HELL, it implies that is will bring to much turmoil and pain it would be better to be in hell than suffer.

      I remembered the essence of a scripture with I got off of here yesterday, “Love the sinner…hate the sin.” Paraphrase, I am sure.

      I did remember one gay guy that taught me how to be a great legal secretary….NOT just “another” legal secretary but a GREAT ONE. We went to lunch every day. He did share with me his sorrow of being who he is or shall I say, “what he is.”
      He didn’t know how to be anyone but who he was.
      I felt sorry for him; but other than listening, that’s all I could do.

      • All sin leads to hell. The only way to salvation is through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ. When the Spirit raises the dead sinner from the grave of spiritual death then he/she is reborn. He/she now has a passion for what is holy and Godly. Homosexuality goes against God’s prescriptive decree and thus, leads people to hell. Also, I am not sure what passage you mean when you write, “It is BETTER to be born in hell….etc.”.

        Travis

  7. These blogs and responses are so weird to me. The “facts” are anything but. Each of the blogs I read take extreme behavior and claim it as “normal”. I feel like I’ve entered the twilight Zone where you can say whatever you want, throw some sham of “facts” behind it from an article that would in no way pass muster in any scholarly review and everyone buys it. Travis, have you ever spent any time actually having a conversation or forming a cordial relationship with a homosexual? Quite frankly the heterosexual members of my family have proven far more promiscuous than my lesbian self. Shall I assume that based on facts that straight people value monogamy far less than homosexuals? It is absolutely true. (in my very small sample size and where it helps prove a point). And, according to the facts as I know them, all of the straight people I know have had far more sexual partners in general than the homosexual I know. Therefore, being a sexually promisicious person is actually “normal” heterosexual practice. Maybe your arguments wouldn’t be so silly if you actually spoke to a homosexual and got to know something about them besides thier gayness and if you got real facts from a reliable article. If you need help finding some I’d be glad to help.

    • Allison,

      Whether I know a homosexual or not is not relevant. I do know plenty of homosexual and bi-sexual people but, that does not mean anything. If you disagree with my claims then you need to prove my sources wrong. The source of the stats I quoted was “Homosexualities” from the The Institute for Sex Research. They are stats that are scholarly and factual. If you want to discredit them then you need to provide me more than the people you know. I know plenty of people. Some have never had sex. Some have had plenty of sexual partners. That is not the point. You may not be promiscuous but, the majority of homosexuals are…ever been to a gay pride parade?

      At the end of the day you, as well as I, need the Gospel of Christ. I was once living in sin and needed to be saved so I could be right with a holy God. I pray that you come to know the knowledge of Jesus Christ as well.

      Thanks for reading and commenting,

      Travis

      • I would just like to suggest that marti gras is not a gay parade yet is full of heterosexuals behaving lustfully… the studies you mention have some validity… but the sexual lives of many straight frat brothers are very promiscuous as well. To put blinders on only to see a situation as bad is not a good idea

      • This comment baffles me. Have you read anything else I have written on sexuality? Look up, is sex okay before marriage. I write about those sins the same I do about homosexuality. I try to be consistent and by God’s grace, I will remain so.

    • I don’t see anything normal about promiscuity heterosexual or not. That said thanks for speaking up. There is several things that bug me about this article and I haven’t really had the courage until now to point them out. First I can’t find the original Kinsey article at all (see above). This prevents me from being able to share this article with anyone because I have no confidence in it’s credibility. Second since it makes no comparison with similar statistics for heterosexuals there isn’t enough information to claim that homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals. There is also no information on how those numbers were found and how accurate they are. In other words so far this article less us nothing. Would someone please post the location of the original Kinsey article!

  8. I was shocked by some of the statistics in this blog post, since they do not hold true of the many gay people I know. Until I looked at your sources. A blog post that is based on a book written in 1978, and on a 2009 article that draws heavily from that same book, doesn’t really have a leg to stand on. Social scientists in this day and age would never draw solely on sources so old if they wanted to be taken seriously.

    In 1978, being gay was heavily stigmatized and frowned upon. The only “out” gay people at that time were considered social lepers, so out of that ostracism rose a new subculture. It revolved around drugs and sex, and therefore became highly unhealthy on both an emotional and physical level. Although some vestiges of that subculture still linger, gay culture (and the mindset of gay men in general) is drastically different now from what it was 34 years ago.

    Your conclusions may be right, but the evidence you’ve provided is fundamentally flawed.

    • Hey Matt,

      Maybe you could provide a better study? I’m pretty sure the numbers would look similar.

      Travis

      • “Pretty sure” is no replacement for actually data. I’ve actually tried looking for more recent studies but haven’t turned up much.

      • My “pretty sure” was conjecture. If there were studies that on this subject helpful to the gay community then we would probably know about them.

        Travis

      • Just found the following article:

        http://wigaypedia.com/wiki/Facts_about_Gay_Promiscuity

        Interestingly It seams to say the opposite of this article. The research is newer but still old.

      • I noticed that already. Your ad hominem is duly noted. I also notice that Wigaypedia has more up to date research articles though. I was actually interest to see if there is any real flaw anyone can find with the research article links.

      • You may call it ad hominem to question wigaypedia, however, if I used that as a source in an academic paper I would fail the assignment.

      • I don’t know of any studies that show statistics similar to what you listed. And to be honest, if you provide flawed data and then someone points out the data is flawed, I’m pretty sure the onus is on you to find better information.

        Here’s one article (I’m aware that it’s a summary of a research article, not a research article in and of itself).

        http://humbumbershoot.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/are-gay-men-more-promiscuous-than-straight-men-analyzing-research-results/

        The conclusions indicate that there is a small proportion of gay men who are overly promiscuous (which would fit with the “vestiges of [the previous] subculture” that I referred to), but that the promiscuity of the vast majority of gay men is comparable to that of straight men. I found the racial comparison at the end of the article also interesting.

        I’m not really sure what else to look for. Most studies that I’m finding through google are obviously flawed/biased in one way or the other after only a cursory reading.

        Honestly, my gut reaction to your blog post was that it is wrong, although I’m aware that my gut reaction is based only on personal experience/anecdotal evidence. The gay men I know are mostly interested in monogamous relationships.

  9. So I shared a post with some actual information in it that contradicted your findings, and you blocked it from showing up in the comments?

    Ironic, since Christians are often accuse those opposing them of using propoganda. I guess this highlights yet another reason that non-Christians have lost so much faith in Christians.

    • I am currently moving from Minnesota to Arizona so if your comment doesn’t get moderated right away that is the reason. There are very few times where a comment would not be posted.

      Patience would be appreciated.
      Thanks,

      Travis

    • Sometimes it takes a while for a comment to be approved. Is that the case here?

      • I do take the time to read every comment before it gets posted. However, I have just finished moving from MN to AZ and just had the internet connected in my apartment today. That is why comments were delayed and I haven’t been able to give full responses to commenters.

        Travis

      • Moving, getting things put away so it FEELS like home is not something you can do in an hour or two….

      • So true! We have been unpacking for 2 days and it’s just starting to feel like a home.

      • This is YOUR HOME…everything has to be just like you like it. I haven’t moved in 26 years; and I cannot imagine ever moving again! Lord! The things…IMPORTANT STUFF… lol..you know…that “make a HOME a HOME.

      • Haha we are trying to make an apartment a home.

      • Travis, I learned a long time ago…wherever WE are (my daughter and me) … that is our home. We have been very fortunate to have this home. It is paid off and I do NOT ever intend on leaving it.

  10. I will not go out of my way to be unkind to ANYONE…
    I just “choose” not to be around homosexuals. The statistics above are accurate; and I have worked with a few that have, for the most part, validated the statistics above.

    Think: Fall of Rome; and that is what Obama wants this nation to be — another Rome. IF we allow this, we shall fall just like Rome; and Sodom and Gomorrah. I am not, necessarily a Bible Pounder, but I do keep up enough to see the similar patterns that Obama has led us to..

  11. it is interesting to me to read this article and know that there is a lot of truth to it. That being said, Sex in the gay male community is just one aspect of a real life that loves and fears and needs emotional support like most humans do. I also find it interesting that the idea of marriage in a “traditional” sense, is the bonding of two people to form a life together and be committed to each other – an idea lost on the gay community until recently because it has been denied to them as an option. This brings me to the crux of my comment… could it be that society has as a whole shamed and pushed this group of people into the shadows for so long that many have lived a “double” life… trying to fit into a heterosexual role out of fear of being ostracized by his family and community only to find fleeting moments of human contact with others who also had very little else to offer – also due to having to return back to the only role society would approve of him in. After years and years of stepping out in secret to hook up with another warm body, a connection without the opportunity to make any real investment in a relationship built on love and commitment has fostered such behavior…

    I’m 45 and my experiences with this area are as real as my breath… but with the new found acceptance in society around homosexuality and the very real possibility of living a loving life with another person of the same sex bloom into reality, I see the gay youth making different choices… more educated choices… because in today’s world, they can. As a young person, to know that your body and your heart can be shared and given to the same person in todays society is a game changer. If my parents would have sit me down and shared with me that when the time is right, I would meet a guy or girl that would change the way I saw the world and that my body was special, that I was special, and it was worth the wait… things would have been a different with my sex life… But that is not what happened…

    With the emergence of same sex marriages being accepted and seen as even a possibility. Our youth will find that they are not alone and that they can have a beautiful and for filling life of love commitment. Isn’t that what we want opposed to “promiscuous sex lives”

    • Tom,

      The problem with your stance is this question, “Who gets to define love.” From my perspective God is the one that can define it. God created life, thus God is the only one that has the right to define love and he has. It was never God’s best to diverte from his created order, yet we do. That is where I stand, and to stand anywhere else would be foolish. With that said, I think there are some points to consider in your comment.

      To say that gay sex is one aspect of the homosexual lifestyle is a little untruthful. Many people who claim to be homosexual are defined by who they are attracted to and who they have sex with. Christians didn’t install gay studies as majors one can take in college. Christians didn’t come up with the acronym LGBT, which three of those stand for a sexual attraction. So, I am not trying to characterize the gay community as who they have sex with, they do that.

      Also, you must understand that the saying, “Our youth will find that they are not alone and that they can have a beautiful and for filling life of love commitment.” Well, what if those youth find it beautiful and loving to be with people who are older? Is that still beautiful and loving? If not why not? Logically, you can’t say that is bad, but homosexuality is okay because they both use the same argumentation. Unfortunately, many people don’t care if they are inconsistent. They only care to get their way.

      Thanks for commenting,

      Travis

  12. God is pure love and pure love is non judgmental – there are universal laws that are just what they are… if you put you hand under hot water or in a fire you are going to get burned… if you act out of fear or greed or lust, the universe can only give you the experiences of fear (fear of not having enough) and emotional emptiness… that is the balance. There are only two core emotions – Love and Fear: hence acting like same sex marriage – which only aims at providing a safe social environment for two individuals who want to committee to each other as life partners – is bad because of (add any excuse here) is a reaction from FEAR… which is not a Godly reaction.

    your comments regarding homosexuals and how they define their life by including “gay studies and referring to themselves as the LGBT community being about sex is a shallow view. Yes, what brings them together as a group is their attractions to the same sex – not “SEXXXX” How are they suppose to identify themselves as a group? Yes, they are “attracted” to the same sex but it doesn’t mean that sex is their primary concern or objective—hence only one part of a who they are… and I would never refer to it as a lifestyle because that would suggest a choice has been made. There are many many groups that identify themselves in a way or element that they have in common. Handicapped, Black, cancer survivors… hopefully they don’t see themselves as just handicapped, black, or cancer survivors…

    In regards to our youth finding a beautiful and fulfilling life refers to all youth… heterosexual youth as well as homosexual youth – promiscuous sex does not discriminate between the two. Heterosexual youth have a huge advantage however based on the current main stream ideas. The same argument can be made regarding youth and the involvement with someone older. This really isn’t part of the argument… what is part of the argument is creating social acceptance for same sex relationships that can produce the opportunity for solid foundations… heterosexual youth take it for granted… they are raised with the concept because 90% +/- of the population have that… the idea and approval from your family and society as a whole, that the person you fall in love with is “acceptable” (given they are age appropriate) a 15 year old girl who want to marry an 35 or 40 year old man is not socially acceptable)

    If society embraced or even just tolerated same sex marriage and our gay youth understand that they can have a happy life with a real life partner… then they are less apt to sneak around and have random hookups on the “down low”… Part of one’s idea of acceptance happens at home… if you feel like you are loved and accepted for who you are at home… you don’t tend to try and find acceptance from strangers…

    • Tom,

      How do you know God is pure love? How do you know that pure love in not judgmental? The Bible is clear that God is love and God will judge the living and the dead due to their sins. See, God is more than just love, he is just. His character is holy. Since he is holy he cannot succumb to or be a part of sin. That is why Jesus died. On the cross we see the full character of God. We see his justice because sin cannot go unpunished. Jesus decided to become sin for his children (2 Cor. 5:21). And through that act of justice God showed his amazing love for us. He took on sin though he never sinned! Since God is just, he must remain so. Just because he is love doesn’t mean he forsakes his holiness.

      You are right promiscuity is everywhere, the point of the article is to highlight how rampant it is within the gay community. Also, to simply cast aside the pederasty argument doesn’t answer the question. Here is the deal, you need to have a foundation for your morality. If you can use the same argument for homosexuality and pederasty, yet reject the latter and hold to the former shows that you have no foundation.

      Travis

  13. I commented on a different post regarding my views on using specific writings as “gospel”… I don’t. The Bible is meant to guide us as well as other books like a Course in Miracles, and the Science of Mind along with the Tao Te Ching which was written 500 years before Jesus was born. The bible was written by men who yes, may have been inspired but wrote out of a specific culture. So quotes from the bible are just quotes from the bible… I believe God is pure love based on the relationship and experiences I have. God doesn’t live in the bible—God lives inside of us. So my God is pure Love and doesn’t think like a man who often needs to be right. God wants us to be happy. God wants us make choices that will not bring us harm or bring harm to others because he loves us… not because he is Just and demands that we follow him or else… That kind of god is small… my God is much larger.

    As far as pederasty is concerned, that is a sub culture within the gay community, much like there is a sub-culture of older men wanting young women… I know alot of gay male couples and the largest age gap is 15 years – that isn’t out of touch with many heterosexual relationships. The article is about promiscuity and I have argued the points that this issue isn’t as much about homosexuality as it is about Epistemic social endoctrine. (telling our gay youth over and over that who they are is “sick” causing them to seek fleeting companionship secretly)

    Men have always been more promiscuous or less restrained than women. So naturally there being no feminine elements saying “NO” to advances, there is more sex… That doesn’t mean sex is bad… it just means there will be more of it. If you disagree with how promiscuous that a portion of gay men are, (I agree that there can be an “unhealthy” tendency to empty sex in a large portion – 40% maybe) why would you be against extending the institution that is designed to facilitate monogamy and “family” foundations (marriage) to same-sex couples.

    • Tom,

      You said: “The Bible is meant to guide us as well as other books like a Course in Miracles, and the Science of Mind along with the Tao Te Ching which was written 500 years before Jesus was born. The bible was written by men who yes, may have been inspired but wrote out of a specific culture. So quotes from the bible are just quotes from the bible”

      Me: None of those religions have a risen savior. None of those religions have a loving God that entered human history to save people. Yes, the Bible was written by many men. However, the Gospel and the Bible’s teachings are cross-cultural. They are not simply for the Jew but also for the Gentile…that means it’s for everyone.

      You: “I believe God is pure love based on the relationship and experiences I have. God doesn’t live in the bible—God lives inside of us.”

      Me: Couldn’t your “experience” be wrong? I.E. many people experience many things that are false. People think they see an oasis in the desert but that doesn’t mean it’s really there. So, the human experience is not always reliable.

      You: “So my God is pure Love and doesn’t think like a man who often needs to be right. God wants us to be happy.”

      Me: How do you know these things again?

      You: “God wants us make choices that will not bring us harm or bring harm to others because he loves us… not because he is Just and demands that we follow him or else… That kind of god is small… my God is much larger.”

      Me: God does want us to make good choices because God is good. Our sin deserves punishment. You may not like it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. You may think that my “god” is small, but yours is one that is non-existent because it came from your mind.

      You: “As far as pederasty is concerned, that is a sub culture within the gay community, much like there is a sub-culture of older men wanting young women… I know alot of gay male couples and the largest age gap is 15 years – that isn’t out of touch with many heterosexual relationships.”

      Me: You need to read what I wrote to you again. I never claimed that gay people are pederasts. I said that the same argumentation for homosexuality is being used by those who advocate for pederasty. If you cannot deal with that, then you need to give up on the homosexual advocation.

      You: “(telling our gay youth over and over that who they are is “sick” causing them to seek fleeting companionship secretly)”

      Me: Sir, I tell youth, and everyone, that they are sinners. I am a sinner and you are a sinner. I am consistent when I call other’s sinners because I am just like they are. The problem is that I have a God who can heal sinners. My God can forgive sin, because he died on a cross. My God can change the heart of anyone to turn away from sin, that includes homosexuals.

      You: “If you disagree with how promiscuous that a portion of gay men are, (I agree that there can be an “unhealthy” tendency to empty sex in a large portion – 40% maybe) why would you be against extending the institution that is designed to facilitate monogamy and “family” foundations (marriage) to same-sex couples.”

      Me: I have published evidence for my percentages, where do you come up with your stats? Also, there is no such thing as same-sex marriage. Marriage logically, historically, and biblically is between a man and a woman. Marriage is designed, by God, to give life-long companionship, love, and reproduction. Homosexuals, statistically, have many different partners even within a committed relationship, which is not companionship nor love. They also cannot reproduce. That is why same-sex marriage is not marriage, let alone should be recognized by the state.

      Travis

      • Ok… so this will be my last post since you have some serious blinders on and are not willing to think logically about this stuff… I would trust my own personal experiences before I would trust a book written by others… God speaks to us all the time and it is when we are quite and open that we here what is being said.

        Your stats come from second hand interviews and who know where and how all the questioned people come from. Is it in a Health Clinic where those who are coming thru the door are apt to practice such loose sexual encounters … I took a stats class and it is very easy to get a skewed representation. So my stats come from living my life in the gay community for nearly 30 years and in three major cities. I don’t know everyone, but like someone asking questions from a sample… I think I have a pretty good “sample” to base my comments on.

        Three of the four books I mentioned are christian or lean christian and believe in Jesus Christ.

        In regards to pederasty, the argument for relationships between a child and an adult is a “Whole” societal issue and deals with a different set of perimeters… there is a “mental” difference between a young adult (18 in most states) and a minor. Our social structure has set age limits to protect the child… two contenting adults needs no such protections.

        God did not create marriage as a “legal and binding” contract. Man and society did that for a who set of legal reasons that go beyond “I LOVE YOU” God did not design marriage to give life long companionship – as humans, we tend to fall in love and fight to be with those we love even if marriage is not a possibility… just as any gay couple. The “loving” of another is a Godly event. You also say: have many different partners even within a committed relationship, which is not companionship nor love…. well there are lots of stats from marriage counselors saying that even when one or both partners go outside of the relationship to fulfill sexual needs… they still love and want the companionship of their married partner. I said “marriage counselors” which mean that these couples are heterosexual.

        Reproducing young was for a long time extremely important for a number of reasons… to build numbers in a tribe so that it can protect itself from intruders… for the man power to build cities, move goods and water inland, and even tend crops because for a long time there were no powered machines to do it. This is one of the main reasons that societies from the past looked down on same sex relations because they failed to produce “man power” That is not a concern now and sooo many heterosexuals practice safe sex and may never even have a child… Single mom are having babies on their own. I am good friends with a lesbian couple who have been together since 1987 and have had two children with a single sperm donor…

        and FYI the “open relationship” concept isn’t practiced by all gay couples… I don’t know the stats but I know many couples who are monogamous – again, if we as a society placed value and equality in all “life partner” relationships and extended the same protections to all couples regardless of gender, the sexual practices of gay people will shift because they will tend to grow up with the idea that they can start and have a family. They will not fear rejection – or at least know that the option is a possibility. And, most lesbians are far more comfortable with monogamy.

        You seem like you’re truly invested in this issue… expand your research and don’t be afraid to try and understand the issues – not just the “problems” that the gay community has… being gay isn’t about SEX… REALLY it isn’t… sex is great but my str8 pals will toast to that as well… gay people are PEOPLE who just happen to be attracted to the same sex… they have all of the issues and emotions and dreams and fears that everyone has…

        Thanks again for the dialogue

        In Peace….

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